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#1 Menet

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 12:01 PM

Police, FireDept, Medical are made more "sensitive" by life and death situations and therefore can make a viable contribution to paranormal investigations?

They know what protocol is.

What do you think?  It's a pretty broad topic so no holds are bared on thoughts about it.  I don't believe this to be a right/wrong topic.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 12:14 PM

It's quite possible they are a bit more sensitive. All the investigative teams, that I know about, have at least one first responder on board. Be it a Police Officer, Fireman, EMT, Paramedic, or Doctor.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:41 PM

I'm not sure that blanket statement works with ER's, Police etc as being any more sensitive. Many of them shut their emotions (or try to) to keep their own sanity. They separate their jobs from their home lives and aren't
always successful. If a police officer was to view humanity by all the arrests, misconducts and atrocities during the job, could it not affect his view in the overall world in an undesirable way?

Just One Example:

During the David Parker Ray case, a female FBI investigator responsible for sketching "the toy box" spent the better part of three continuous days drawing the manical outlay he tortured his female slaves in. She was praised for her diligence and attention to detail. Unfortunately only a day after her work was done she was found dead via suicide. That case was one of the most vile cases in US criminal history and many feel she couldn't shut out the pain she visually endured. This wasn't isolated either. There are several others including victims left permanently scarred. Turning that off can be a savior but for some it isn't enough.

I'm going to go out on a slight tangent but many vile criminal cases continue to have horrible effects on people well after the case is done. It seems almost as if the cancer continues. Negative attracts negative. Yes I am bound to belief systems through observation.

There are exceptions on both sides but I can't see them being any more sensitive that an empath. I'm not convinced emotions/feelings are a reliable form of investigation. Although I trust gut feelings and do not ignore them generally. JMO.

Edited by EVP, 01 October 2017 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 10:25 PM

I have heard plenty of stories from nurses and police officers who comment on their experiences with the paranormal - i often feel that there are certain types of people who are drawn to these jobs and they take the role as a caretaker for people passing over, or for solving cases that need a resolution.
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:49 PM

View PostMacCionoadha BeanSidhe, on 01 October 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

It's quite possible they are a bit more sensitive. All the investigative teams, that I know about, have at least one first responder on board. Be it a Police Officer, Fireman, EMT, Paramedic, or Doctor.

Do you remember the retired police officer that visited here over the past 2 years.  At least I think he was retired.  He spotted a big foot when he was young and did some work for a university by interviewing such reports.

He also investigated haunted places on the side.  He hasn't been back in quite awhile.

I don't know of one investigative unit in our area.  Since Triple Goddess closed down after 30 years in business, there's no where you can readily find one here.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:52 PM

I think you're talking about OffDutyCop
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:34 PM

View PostEVP, on 01 October 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

I'm not sure that blanket statement works with ER's, Police etc as being any more sensitive. Many of them shut their emotions (or try to) to keep their own sanity. They separate their jobs from their home lives and aren't
always successful. If a police officer was to view humanity by all the arrests, misconducts and atrocities during the job, could it not affect his view in the overall world in an undesirable way?

Just One Example:

During the David Parker Ray case, a female FBI investigator responsible for sketching "the toy box" spent the better part of three continuous days drawing the manical outlay he tortured his female slaves in. She was praised for her diligence and attention to detail. Unfortunately only a day after her work was done she was found dead via suicide. That case was one of the most vile cases in US criminal history and many feel she couldn't shut out the pain she visually endured. This wasn't isolated either. There are several others including victims left permanently scarred. Turning that off can be a savior but for some it isn't enough.

I'm going to go out on a slight tangent but many vile criminal cases continue to have horrible effects on people well after the case is done. It seems almost as if the cancer continues. Negative attracts negative. Yes I am bound to belief systems through observation.

There are exceptions on both sides but I can't see them being any more sensitive that an empath. I'm not convinced emotions/feelings are a reliable form of investigation. Although I trust gut feelings and do not ignore them generally. JMO.

Thank you, EVP, for responding.    I don't know.  The first thing I thought of when considering this was how do you report an "outside of the normal" experience?   How many First Responders can vent that without calling their integrity into question?  How many experience PSI on the job site?  And where do they go from there?  Is it a one time occurrence.  And what was it?  Multiple experiences?    Is it something that they can rely upon...instinct..intuition..psi?  Still thinking about it.

Thank you.  And you too, Mac!!

View PostVlawdeGStudy, on 02 October 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

I think you're talking about OffDutyCop

Wasn't OffDutyCop a mod?  This man wasn't.  He traveled around and took pictures of reputed haunted sites with his wife and posted them here.  Then he talked some and then he took off.  Isn't that the way it goes down,

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:46 PM

View Postearthlydelites, on 01 October 2017 - 10:25 PM, said:

I have heard plenty of stories from nurses and police officers who comment on their experiences with the paranormal - i often feel that there are certain types of people who are drawn to these jobs and they take the role as a caretaker for people passing over, or for solving cases that need a resolution.

That's possible earthlydelites.  I think that there has to be passion involved with your work or you might as well be looking for another job.  My sister died of brain cancer a couple of years ago and I had the opportunity to discuss with her caregiver what she had witnessed while caring for others who were terminally ill.   She had a lot to say.  Like no one had ever asked her before?  Probably not.  I'm beginning to believe that the paranormal is 100%, part of the human condition.

Thanks for responding.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:03 PM

View PostMenet, on 02 October 2017 - 04:49 PM, said:

Do you remember the retired police officer that visited here over the past 2 years.  At least I think he was retired.  He spotted a big foot when he was young and did some work for a university by interviewing such reports.

He also investigated haunted places on the side.  He hasn't been back in quite awhile.

I don't know of one investigative unit in our area.  Since Triple Goddess closed down after 30 years in business, there's no where you can readily find one here.

There's a group in your state called S.P.I.

Edited by MacCionoadha BeanSidhe, 02 October 2017 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:08 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if people had never asked her before - they probably see people at their most grief stricken where asking them about paranormal experiences might be the last thing on someones mind. But it's something we should definitely ask more often if the opportunity arises!
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:50 AM

Good morning, earthlydelites.

When you retire, people probably think it's a godsend but after awhile, you wonder what to do with your time?  I'm still thinking about this and I think I'll do some research and come up with a questionnaire.  I'll start small, on the outskirts of the city and see what type of response I get.  Aside from work, the paranormal is the only thing that I've ever been passionate about.  And I've got the time.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 01:45 AM

Great topic Menet :D I am not really sure if they are more sensitive but I work in the medical profession and know of a lot of nurses who are sensitive for sure :D
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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:37 AM

I would be willing to bet money that there are some # of people who do become sensitive to those situations of people passing.  But, I would say that most will have become callus to the experience.  Experience to the pain of life lost...but more so to the spiritual nature of it.  Many people would choose to close their eyes or ignore and not want to see all there is and was to see in that instant.

I have 3 family members who are nurses and 1 recently retired LEO.  All of them believe in Christ.  1 has experienced an entity in an old house of ours.  None of them have mentioned anything of significance while present or working on someone who just passed away.  They all believe there are restless spirits in our world.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 12:53 AM

Thanks for the info Lou, I was hoping for some more first hand experiences of weird things happening on the job...
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 09:07 AM

View PostEVP, on 01 October 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

I'm not sure that blanket statement works with ER's, Police etc as being any more sensitive. Many of them shut their emotions (or try to) to keep their own sanity. They separate their jobs from their home lives and aren't
always successful. If a police officer was to view humanity by all the arrests, misconducts and atrocities during the job, could it not affect his view in the overall world in an undesirable way?

Just One Example:

During the David Parker Ray case, a female FBI investigator responsible for sketching "the toy box" spent the better part of three continuous days drawing the manical outlay he tortured his female slaves in. She was praised for her diligence and attention to detail. Unfortunately only a day after her work was done she was found dead via suicide. That case was one of the most vile cases in US criminal history and many feel she couldn't shut out the pain she visually endured. This wasn't isolated either. There are several others including victims left permanently scarred. Turning that off can be a savior but for some it isn't enough.

I'm going to go out on a slight tangent but many vile criminal cases continue to have horrible effects on people well after the case is done. It seems almost as if the cancer continues. Negative attracts negative. Yes I am bound to belief systems through observation.

There are exceptions on both sides but I can't see them being any more sensitive that an empath. I'm not convinced emotions/feelings are a reliable form of investigation. Although I trust gut feelings and do not ignore them generally. JMO.

Man! I feel awful for that investigator. That said; I hope she's at peace, now. I'd imagine the "Toy Box" case was the straw that broke the camel's back since many investigators have seen some nasty stuff and didn't off themselves.

In an indirect way; She was that freak's final victim....but she was also among those who defeated him.

Granted; I think he never got much of a punishment due to simply dying....but he WAS caught and prosecuted AND I'd imaging his life on the Other Side wouldn't be a bed of roses.

I believe in the concept of Hell/Inferno/Gehenna/Naraka/etc....but it's purgatorial/penitential rather than eternal.

I don't believe that suicides go to Hell. That's religious clap-trap made up by Medieval clergy to discourage the average person from "escaping" their crummy, war-ravaged, plague-ridden lives....Gotta keep 'em under you and the Feudal Lord's thumbs, after all!
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 08:13 AM

I am a firefighter as well as a paranormal investigator and I can say that I have noticed over the years I have developed a bit more sensitivity to things. I can't say it is the firefighting or the experiences themselves but this is an interesting thought.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:04 AM

Draven I would expect that your continued experience in the field and your expansion of knowledge would make you more likely to encounter experiences :D
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 05:45 AM

View PostearthlydelitesGStudy, on 24 April 2018 - 01:04 AM, said:

Draven I would expect that your continued experience in the field and your expansion of knowledge would make you more likely to encounter experiences :D
That is possible. I do have one instant as a firefighter that really moved me. We responded to a heart attack and I had known the individual my entire life. He was coding and we helped get him into the ambulance and all of a sudden a big smile came across his face and it felt like the tense moment became calm and all was well. He had passed but in doing so it calmed the entire scene. Even the ambulance crew said they could feel it.





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