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[True North]

KlaineyGStudy, on 07 October 2022 - 05:59 AM, said:

I Just wish North was here to elaborate more on this...

On what I was saying about their stages of development and how some dart out of sight and some don't? Or on the shadows that are a lot more than the shadows people see?

[EVP]

True North, on 22 October 2022 - 05:11 AM, said:

A few questions EVP:

Did your friend appear frustrated when searching for his wallet?

From what I can recall (30 years ago) he may have become a little impatient with his inability to locate his wallet in the sock drawer. It did seem like 20+ seconds before he was able to retrieve it..

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When it expanded did it also become more opaque?

It expanded fairly quickly to it's full size. The room was dark to begin with but I do recall it was more translucent than transparent. I don't recall any graduation as it grew in size.

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Meaning it spread out / dispersed? Or did it only fade out?

It slithered from behind the Chester drawers and the wall and staged itself in the doorway. It then began to grow in size covering 50% or more of the doorway and then it just faded away.

I'm really interested in your take TN. This event will follow me to the grave. It's one of those extremely rare times that I collectively saw something anomalous and I've never seen anything like it since. I firmly believe it was his attachment.

Edited by EVP, 22 October 2022 - 05:29 AM.

[True North]

EVP, on 22 October 2022 - 05:27 AM, said:

It slithered from behind the Chester drawers and the wall and staged itself in the doorway. It then began to grow in size covering 50% or more of the doorway and then it just faded away.

I'm really interested in your take TN. This event will follow me to the grave. It's one of those extremely rare times that I collectively saw something anomalous and I've never seen anything like it since. I firmly believe it was his attachment.

Okay, so if it "slithered" I'll assume you mean it moved across the floor or wall, not through the air.

Yeah, I'd say it's very likely the same something your friend mentioned seeing on previous occasions so you could definitely be right.

Anyway,

The behaviour and appearance of the dark shape you saw suggests it was something more intelligent than your average 'shadow' or 'shadow person'. To suddenly show up and block someone's exit from their bedroom is essentially trapping that person inside their room and preventing them from leaving -- i.e. it makes that person feel trapped in a space they're supposed to feel safe in (their own home, their own bedroom, etc)... if only for a few brief moments.

Going by Gary's reaction, I'm guessing he would NOT have willingly chosen to get any closer to the shape in the doorway, in which case he was momentarily trapped and unable to leave, and in which case it can be said that the action of the dark shape dissipating was like it 'allowing' Gary to leave. Why do I think this significant? I think this significant because it suggests to me what you saw wasn't just frightening your friend, but also playing psychological games with him.

That sort of 1. strategic behaviour, paired with 2. the amorphous shape and 3. the manner in which it emerged and grew in size, fits the profile of similar amorphous 'shadows' known to myself and others who are (often) a lot more than meets the eye, and so has me leaning towards thinking what you saw was something highly intelligent with a true form much different than the shadowy form it appeared to Gary and you in.

[EVP]

True North, on 23 October 2022 - 04:57 PM, said:

Okay, so if it "slithered" I'll assume you mean it moved across the floor or wall, not through the air.

Yeah, I'd say it's very likely the same something your friend mentioned seeing on previous occasions so you could definitely be right.

Anyway,

The behaviour and appearance of the dark shape you saw suggests it was something more intelligent than your average 'shadow' or 'shadow person'. To suddenly show up and block someone's exit from their bedroom is essentially trapping that person inside their room and preventing them from leaving -- i.e. it makes that person feel trapped in a space they're supposed to feel safe in (their own home, their own bedroom, etc)... if only for a few brief moments.

Going by Gary's reaction, I'm guessing he would NOT have willingly chosen to get any closer to the shape in the doorway, in which case he was momentarily trapped and unable to leave, and in which case it can be said that the action of the dark shape dissipating was like it 'allowing' Gary to leave. Why do I think this significant? I think this significant because it suggests to me what you saw wasn't just frightening your friend, but also playing psychological games with him.

That sort of 1. strategic behaviour, paired with 2. the amorphous shape and 3. the manner in which it emerged and grew in size, fits the profile of similar amorphous 'shadows' known to myself and others who are (often) a lot more than meets the eye, and so has me leaning towards thinking what you saw was something highly intelligent with a true form much different than the shadowy form it appeared to Gary and you in.

Thanks True North! I never thought of the ulterior motive with trapping Gary within the bedroom by blocking the door purposely. That motive seems to fit pretty well including the "I'll now let you pass" as it dissipated.

One small detail I didn't explain well. The "best described amorphous shadow" didn't slither along the floor. It emerged by sliding out behind the Chester drawers and the doorway wall about 2 feet off the ground and then expanded. I'm not sure that changes any part of your analysis or not but it still might give an extra detail of it's movement that was unexplained by myself..

Edited by EVP, 23 October 2022 - 05:12 PM.

[True North]

EVP, on 23 October 2022 - 05:10 PM, said:

... It emerged by sliding out behind the Chester drawers and the doorway wall about 2 feet off the ground and then expanded. I'm not sure that changes any part of your analysis or not but it still might give an extra detail of it's movement...

Got it. Always good to get the details straight.

As long as it didn't emerge as a trail of 'smoke' or 'mist' it's specific movement doesn't change anything for me.

[KlaineyGStudy]

True North, on 22 October 2022 - 05:24 AM, said:

On what I was saying about their stages of development and how some dart out of sight and some don't? Or on the shadows that are a lot more than the shadows people see?

Yes, exactly!

[Yaridovich]

That sounds awesome EVP, i would like that experience! cause i like to get scared, and i like highly intelligent things, GYA HA HA

[MichelleGStudy]

I remember that story EVP!  It's still makes me feel the same way when I read it today.  Something heavy and dark, foreboding maybe?

[True North]

KlaineyGStudy, on 28 October 2022 - 04:52 AM, said:

Yes, exactly!

I've written a fair bit about different kinds of shadows across a bunch of threads. I suppose one thing I can say about those specific shadows is that, in some cases, they're the result of real-time 'censoring' or 'inserting' done by someone's own subconscious. What would be the purpose of such on-the-fly editing? One purpose is to preserve people's sanity -- to prevent people from seeing something that might break their mind. This is a form of what I call subconscious censoring. Another is to provide people with a visual 'place holder' for something that's there but invisible; to give people an archetypal 'dark' representation of the dark nature of what's there. This is what I call subconscious inserting.

[Vlawde]

True North, on 14 April 2023 - 10:10 PM, said:

I've written a fair bit about different kinds of shadows across a bunch of threads. I suppose one thing I can say about those specific shadows is that, in some cases, they're the result of real-time 'censoring' or 'inserting' done by someone's own subconscious. What would be the purpose of such on-the-fly editing? One purpose is to preserve people's sanity -- to prevent people from seeing something that might break their mind. This is a form of what I call subconscious censoring. Another is to provide people with a visual 'place holder' for something that's there but invisible; to give people an archetypal 'dark' representation of the dark nature of what's there. This is what I call subconscious inserting.

I kind of agree on this. I'd guess the mind has no reference point for some things so tries to 'place' something there that can be interpreted by the mind, even if it's vague like a dark shadow. This could explain why when multiple people experience something paranormal, sometimes each person describes seeing something totally different.

This could also be the case with some UFO's. as you said :

" they're the result of real-time 'censoring' or 'inserting' done by someone's own subconscious. What would be the purpose of such on-the-fly editing? One purpose is to preserve people's sanity -- to prevent people from seeing something that might break their mind."

That could be whatever intelligence behind the phenomena affecting what/how people see them

Edited by Vlawde, 15 April 2023 - 10:11 AM.

[Guardian]

Vlawde, on 15 April 2023 - 10:10 AM, said:

I kind of agree on this. I'd guess the mind has no reference point for some things so tries to 'place' something there that can be interpreted by the mind, even if it's vague like a dark shadow. This could explain why when multiple people experience something paranormal, sometimes each person describes seeing something totally different.

This could also be the case with some UFO's. as you said :

" they're the result of real-time 'censoring' or 'inserting' done by someone's own subconscious. What would be the purpose of such on-the-fly editing? One purpose is to preserve people's sanity -- to prevent people from seeing something that might break their mind."

That could be whatever intelligence behind the phenomena affecting what/how people see them

True North, on 14 April 2023 - 10:10 PM, said:

I've written a fair bit about different kinds of shadows across a bunch of threads. I suppose one thing I can say about those specific shadows is that, in some cases, they're the result of real-time 'censoring' or 'inserting' done by someone's own subconscious. What would be the purpose of such on-the-fly editing? One purpose is to preserve people's sanity -- to prevent people from seeing something that might break their mind. This is a form of what I call subconscious censoring. Another is to provide people with a visual 'place holder' for something that's there but invisible; to give people an archetypal 'dark' representation of the dark nature of what's there. This is what I call subconscious inserting.

So, hypothetically, the mind may see a demon enter our dimension but knows I can’t handle it. Therefore, the brain inserts a shadow to block my vision? Interesting! (This is 100% hypothetical for purposes of illustration)

[Vlawde]

More that the mind has no reference point for what it sees, so it plugs in a substitute that is familiar. Or....an entity or other intelligence affects what we see or experience, inserting that into our mind.

[MichelleGStudy]

It slithered from behind the Chester drawers and the wall and staged itself in the doorway. It then began to grow in size covering 50% or more of the doorway and then it just faded away.******** this is a stupid question but to get The account correct in my mind I must ask… is a ‘Chester drawers’ the same thing as a chest of drawers?  Or have I am I saying it wrong My whole life?

[Vlawde]

MichelleGStudy, on 15 April 2023 - 05:58 PM, said:

It slithered from behind the Chester drawers and the wall and staged itself in the doorway. It then began to grow in size covering 50% or more of the doorway and then it just faded away.******** this is a stupid question but to get The account correct in my mind I must ask… is a ‘Chester drawers’ the same thing as a chest of drawers?  Or have I am I saying it wrong My whole life?

i did a double take myself, pretty sure chest of drawers. Unless poor Chester lost his undies

[True North]

Guardian, on 15 April 2023 - 11:51 AM, said:

So, hypothetically, the mind may see a demon enter our dimension but knows I can’t handle it. Therefore, the brain inserts a shadow to block my vision? Interesting! (This is 100% hypothetical for purposes of illustration)

Yes. It's an evolutionary defence mechanism.

The subconscious mind acts to shield the conscious mind from potentially 'breaking' since (from an evolutionary perspective) 'short-circuiting' for an extended period of time is usually fatal to the organism. For example, if you entered an extended state of shock due to a completely paradigm-shattering experience, and were, say, left vulnerable to the elements + natural predators, and were unable to properly function while your mind recovered -- i.e. unable to properly hunt, gather wood, make a fire, etc, that could very well be game over.

Even with others to care for you and pick up the slack, the extra burden you'd place on a small tribe or group would negatively impact the group's ability to survive. In particularly harsh times and environments (drought, war, natural disasters, an extremely harsh winter) that extra burden could contribute to most of you dying, or in extreme cases the extinction of the group.

In short, it's in all intelligent lifeforms' best interests to develop hard-wired mechanisms that prevent them from mentally short-circuiting. Going comatose or losing your mind and 'going crazy' isn't a good look when it comes to survival.

Edited by True North, 22 April 2023 - 01:22 PM.

[True North]

The above applies more to adults than young children. Children don't generally hold rigid beliefs, thus their conscious minds aren't in the same danger of breaking.

[MichelleGStudy]

Vlawde, on 15 April 2023 - 10:13 PM, said:

i did a double take myself, pretty sure chest of drawers. Unless poor Chester lost his undies

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