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#1 KlaineyGStudy

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 03:45 AM

This case appalled and saddened me, when I first saw it. I remember watching him plead for his families return and thinking something isn't quite right with his story! I wonder what's your thoughts?

The K9 Search Team, Scent Dog, Trauma Dog and, camera woman investigated the property, and this is what they found.



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 04:21 AM

Here is a close up of the Girl walking down the stairs

https://youtu.be/t5JYnLPcsu8?t=125
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Posted 18 June 2019 - 06:51 AM

I will take my time listening. I've extracted the audio from the video clip.  I can tell you immediately, the audio file is heavily contaminated and uncontrolled. If the capture is really weak, I'm liable to contribute most of it to human and dog activity. Generally, single words should be discounted. Artifact can easily twist the ear to hearing things with mundane explanations especially with single syllables.

Also this was recorded during the day with lots of outdoor activities (by humans) including authorities contributing to the active investigation.

I know this sounds very negative on my part but this is a prime example where audio has to be controlled with discipline. Audio requires so much more control that video and stills. I'll do my best under the adverse conditions presented.

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 07:29 AM

 EVP, on 18 June 2019 - 06:51 AM, said:

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I know this sounds very negative on my part but .....

You negative..NEVER ;)

I do think the woman with the camera, whoever she was, did a bit of talking to herself. What got me was the stairs and what looked like a young girl walking down them. :fright: Watch your eardrums when the dog barks!
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Posted 18 June 2019 - 05:47 PM

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I went through the alleged little girl footage frame by frame at the segment you mentioned and what you are seeing is the wide angle lens distortion created by the slats in the staircase banister with the child barrier at the top of the stairs. When you introduce the forward motion from the cam, it creates an optical illusion. Judge for yourself with the three frames I have included. The third frame helped me identify the child barrier found shortly after the key frame in question..
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Posted 18 June 2019 - 08:58 PM

I understand what you are saying, but, I still like to think Bella, Shanann and Cece were there in spirit hoping and looking for justice!

I know I would be :yes:
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:22 AM

I dont know how I missed this story when it happened.  Very sad!!!  The short giggle sound when they were looking into the closet was a little creepy.  EVP makes some very good points and you have to consider that when hearing the giggle sound.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 05:37 AM

 KlaineyGStudy, on 18 June 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

I understand what you are saying, but, I still like to think Bella, Shanann and Cece were there in spirit hoping and looking for justice!

I know I would be :yes:

I don't know what justice one can seek in a family annihilation. Thankfully family annihilations are very uncommon statistically compared to lives taken from crimes of passion.

I do credit Shanann's family in the way they treated this case. They insisted no more killings within the family and subsequently Chris was given 4 life sentences with years added without parole instead of the death penalty. He'll have plenty of time to think about it. He's not a true sociopath psychopath. He has feelings and broke down shortly into the interrogation process after miserably failing a polygraph test. In my opinion, a death penalty seems like an easy way out. He'll have plenty of time to think about it.

PS- I am still committed to go through the audio. It just might take me a few days.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 03:15 PM

Unfortunately, the taxpayers will have to foot his bill, they'll have to pay to let a killer live. That's what truly bugs me.

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 04:25 AM

View PostMacCionoadha BeanSidhe, on 19 June 2019 - 03:15 PM, said:

Unfortunately, the taxpayers will have to foot his bill, they'll have to pay to let a killer live. That's what truly bugs me.

No one wins in these cases Mac, right from the families, relatives to the taxpayers. Oddly enough, I remember my GF's daughters doing a project on life imprisonment vs the death penalty and found the latter to be more expensive. Certainly a strange and unjust system.
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 07:43 AM

He is a Narcissistic Sociopath.

He annihilated his family and thought he would get away with it!

It is plausible Shanann and Cece were murdered while they slept as they didn't have any defensive injuries. Where Bella, suffered before she was murdered.

I feel we will ever know the truth or how he murdered his family!

And to think propofol is so cheap!



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Posted 20 June 2019 - 12:41 PM

I don't believe he's a sociopath. Between his actions and how calculating he was in the aftermath, he seems more like a psychopath. Sociopaths have a conscience, psychopaths do not. All psychopaths are sociopaths, but not all sociopaths are psychopaths.

Sociopaths have a conscience, it's weak, but it's there. And they do form attachments to family, close friends and care about them. They can empathize but are antisocial in that they don't like associating with those they don't know. You can describe them as "hot-headed" acting without thinking about how others will be affected. But, they feel genuine remorse and guilt in the aftermath.

Psychopaths have no conscience and only think about themselves and what they want. They are calculative and make plans on how to get what they want and have no care of how they get it. They have no empathy and described as "cold-hearted."

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 06:31 PM

Sorry, MacC, that will teach me not to write at 2 am in the morning!

What I meant to write, was, he IS a Narcissistic Psychopath! So I totally agree with you MacC. :yes:
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Posted 20 June 2019 - 08:14 PM

We all can agree putting semantics aside in terminology, Chris Watts is a murderer and took the lives of four innocent people. There is no justice that will undue the atrocities. It's truly sad.

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 11:08 PM

Yes, it is EVP!

I am just finding his audacity hard to get past after his liars are not believed he blamed his wife for their daughter's murder. Then once he realises he is caught, he pleads guilty to get the death sentence taken off the table.

Here is another thing I found interesting. In the reflection of the mirror, there appears to be a person standing at the bottom of the stairs. It doesn't appear to be the camera woman, as the reflection doesn't mimic her arm actions.

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Posted 20 June 2019 - 11:18 PM

This is the police guy standing at the front door

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 12:15 AM

View PostKlaineyGStudy, on 20 June 2019 - 11:08 PM, said:

Yes, it is EVP!

I am just finding his audacity hard to get past after his liars are not believed he blamed his wife for their daughter's murder. Then once he realizes he is caught, he pleads guilty to get the death sentence taken off the table.

Here is another thing I found interesting. In the reflection of the mirror, there appears to be a person standing at the bottom of the stairs. It doesn't appear to be the camera woman, as the reflection doesn't mimic her arm actions.



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I'd suggest it to be another person participating in the investigation on some level. I am sure the footage was reviewed by those quite skilled and would have noticed an irregularity if it existed. During an investigation all participating members are accounted for. Unless we knew all the details we can't adequately speculate who was there and who was not.

Although a wide angle lens can extend the field of view, it doesn't capture everything. Keep in mind this was a criminal investigation and some of the limitations that would need to be used in a paranormal investigation would not be part of their methodology.
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 03:28 AM

From what I could find there were only two people that entered the house with the dog, and it was a controlled search. The front door remained open with a policeman  outside near the door. It is my understanding this was a police investigation that was uploaded to youtube and people are speculating on things they believe could be paranormal.

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Supplemental Report No Property
FPD
Report Number
Officer
Date
Time
Location
1806743
Lines, Katherine
8/17/2018
1:42
333 5th Street
ARRESTEES - SUSPECTS
On Tuesday August 14, 2018 at approximately 1145 hours, in the State of Colorado, County of Weld, Town of Frederick, I
Officer Kate Lines responded to the police department and met with a search and rescue team and their K9’s, for search
efforts regarding the disappearance of Shannan Watts and her two children.  After being briefed on the situation, I, along
with Officer Perez, Deputy Tkach, Boulder County Sheriff, Jayne Zmijewski and Jeff Hiebert, Search and Rescue Dogs of the
United States (SARDUS) responded to the home of the missing individuals.
Upon arrival, I contacted Chris Watts and explained to him that the Frederick Police Department brought in some extra
resources, search dogs, to help in locating his family.  With his permission, he allowed a full search of his home.  Prior to the
beginning of the search, Deputy Tkach explained what would be needed for the dogs to have a successful search.  She
explained the need to collect scent articles.  While speaking with Chris about appropriate items such as shoes and clothing,
she stated the importance of the items not being touched by anyone else.  Each time Deputy Tkach asked Chris about
specific items, he mentioned that he had in some way touched them.  Deputy Tkach was able to collect the scent from
shoes.
Upon entry to the home I immediately noticed a strong odor of cleaning chemicals.  The home appeared spotless and the
carpet had noticeable vacuum lines.  As we walked to the kitchen/living room area, I observed that the television was on a
sports show.  While standing by the back slider door, Deputy Tkach inquired about the little girls’ shoes on the back porch.  
Chris said that the girls wore them to a pool party and the shoes had been wet, so he put them out to dry.  During
conversation, Chris mentioned that he had made the girls’ beds that morning and had done laundry.  He said that he had a
hard time sleeping and he is used to one of his little girls throwing chicken nuggets at him and the other one sitting in the
highchair.
Chris was asked about Shanann’s car and if she drove it to the airport and he said no, Nikki dropped her off, it’s the white car
out front.  He was asked if he drives it stating the white car in the driveway, no.  He was asked if his wife has a car and he
pointed to the garage and said yes.  When asked if he drives it, he stated that he took the girls to a pool party in it, on
Saturday.
Officer Perez commented to Chris, that he can’t imagine what he is going through.  While speaking with Chris, he showed no
emotion and did not seem to respond appropriately to the situation. Chris did not ask any questions or offer to help at any
time.  Chris’s facial expressions rarely changed, however when they did, he seemed to smile/smirk innapropriately,
dispalying a lack of empathy, specifically when speaking about his children; his voice remained low and even toned. His
nonverbal cues were very apparent.  Chris had very erect and almost tense posture, and his arms crossed a majority of the
time.  Chris lacked eye contact and appeared to be nervous, looking around constantly.
Chris escorted us through the entire house, showing us each room, including the laundry room where he dug through dirty
laundry and again mentioning that he was doing his kids' laundry.
Prior to beginning the search, Chris was asked to step outside so there was no interference with the dogs.  Deputy Perez
remained with him and the front door remained open so that at any time he wanted to discontinue the search, he could do so
and the information could be easily relayed.  I entered the home with Jayne and her K9, who she stated is a cadaver dog.  
As we moved through the home, Jayne explained what type of scent the dog alerts to. Jayne mentioned several times that
the dog alerted to areas where there may have been some sort of trauma or struggle such as an argument, explaining that
scent from people, pools and collects in areas.  The dog did not locate any human remains.   The search continued from the
neighborhood clubhouse, west and then north, circling back to the home, without success.  Jayne’s dog was later taken to
Chris’s work truck, which was parked just east of his home.  Jayne stated that the dog detected but gave no hard command,
however, the dog did not enter the vehicle, and the doors to the vehicle remained closed.
Sunday, August 19, 2018
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While in the home, a track dog was asked to enter, as there had bee some indication from the cadaver dog that a struggle or
argument may have ensued.  Jeff Hiebert and his K9 entered the home.  Jeff stated that his dog showed interest in the
unmade bed in the basement and an area just below the stairs, but did not do any final trained alerts.  We exited the
basement and went upstairs to the garage.  No indicators were noted in the garage and we exited the home.
After completion of the K9 searches, the K9 team was thanked for their help and they left.  I remained in the area to assist
with a neighborhood canvas, going door to door handing out flyers and speaking with residents.  At approximately 2015
hours I returned to the PD and was told that we were done for the day. The reports and map track from the K9 team
members have been added to the case file.
On Wednesday August 16, 2018 at approximately 1530 hours, I reported for duty and was asked to respond to Aggregate
Blvd. and Wyndham Hill, to hand out more flyers and contact people in and out of the Wyndham Hill neighborhood.  At
approximately 1800 I was instructed to sit on the south side of the house and not allow anyone in or out of the home.  I
remained at that location until instructed to respond to the front of the house at approximately 2200 hours.  At approximately
2212 hours, a search warrant was executed.  I was tasked with perimeter security, not allowing anyone not authorized, to
step on the property.  At approximately 2216 I notified Sgt. Bakes that the tow truck arrived on scene.  I maintained the crime
scene log and at approximately 2328 hours, after completion of the search warrant, and evidence had been secured in patrol
vehicles, I handed the crime scene log over to FET Officer Walje and left the scene.
Nothing further.
Officer K. Lines 989
Frederick PD
Sunday, August 19, 2018
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Posted 21 June 2019 - 05:43 AM

Oh I found something else! :fright: Scary how close this medium was. The Nameless intuitive medium also friend (10 yrs) Lupus Support Group Facebook only-
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Posted 25 June 2019 - 02:27 AM

I have heard lots of things happen in that house. and police go their to look round but find nothing.