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Scientists Uncover Possible New Species Of Human Dwarf skeleton is 18,000 years old

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:21 AM

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(AP) -- In a breathtaking discovery, scientists working on a remote Indonesian island say they have uncovered the bones of a human dwarf species marooned for eons while modern man rapidly colonized the rest of the planet.


One tiny specimen, an adult female measuring about 3 feet tall, is described as "the most extreme" figure to be included in the extended human family. Certainly, she is the shortest.

This hobbit-sized creature appears to have lived as recently as 18,000 years ago on the island of Flores, a kind of tropical Lost World populated by giant lizards and miniature elephants.

She is the best example of a trove of fragmented bones that account for as many as seven of these primitive individuals. Scientists have named the new species soft cuddly creature floresiensis, or Flores Man. The specimens' ages range from 95,000 to 12,000 years old.

"So the 18,000-year-old skeleton cannot be some kind of 'freak' that we just happened to stumble across," said one of the discoverers, radiocarbon dating expert Richard G. Roberts of the University of Wollongong in Australia.

Flores Man was hardly formidable. His grapefruit-sized brain was about a quarter the size of the brain of our species, soft cuddly creature sapiens. It is closer in size with the brains of transitional prehuman species in Africa more than 3 million years ago.

Yet evidence suggests Flores Man made stone tools, lit fires and organized group hunts for meat.

Just how this primitive, remnant species managed to hang on and whether it crossed paths with modern humans is uncertain. Geologic evidence suggests a massive volcanic eruption sealed its fate some 12,000 years ago, along with other unusual species on the island.

Still, researchers say the perseverance of Flores Man smashes the conventional wisdom that modern humans began to systematically crowd out other upright-walking species 160,000 years ago and have dominated the planet alone for tens of thousands of years.

And it demonstrates that Africa, the acknowledged cradle of humanity, does not hold all the answers to persistent questions of how -- and where -- we came to be.

"It is arguably the most significant discovery concerning our own genus in my lifetime," said anthropologist Bernard Wood of George Washington University, who reviewed the research independently.

Discoveries simply "don't get any better than that," proclaimed Robert Foley and Marta Mirazon Lahr of Cambridge University in a written analysis.

To others, the specimen's baffling combination of slight dimensions and coarse features bears almost no meaningful resemblance either to modern humans or to our large, archaic cousins.

They suggest that Flores Man doesn't belong in the genus soft cuddly creature at all, even if it was a recent contemporary.

"I don't think anybody can pigeonhole this into the very simple-minded theories of what is human," anthropologist Jeffery Schwartz of the University of Pittsburgh. "There is no biological reason to call it soft cuddly creature. We have to rethink what it is."

Details of the discovery appear in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Researchers from Australia and Indonesia found the partial skeleton 13 months ago in a shallow limestone cave known as Liang Bua. The cave, which extends into a hillside for about 130 feet, has been the subject of scientific analysis since 1964.

Near the skeleton were stone tools and animal remains, including teeth from a young Stegodon, or prehistoric dwarf elephant, as well as fish, birds and rodents. Some of the bones were charred, suggesting they were cooked.

Excavations are continuing. In 1998, stone tools and other evidence were found on Flores suggested the presence 900,000 years ago of another early human, soft cuddly creature erectus. The tools were found a century after the celebrated discovery in the 1890s of big-boned H. erectus fossils in eastern Java.

Now, researchers suggest H. erectus spread to remote Flores and throughout the region, perhaps on bamboo rafts. Caves on surrounding islands are the target of future studies, they said.

Researchers suspect that Flores Man probably is an H. erectus descendant that was squeezed by evolutionary pressures.

Nature is full of mammals -- deer, squirrels and pigs, for example -- living in marginal, isolated environments that gradually dwarf when food isn't plentiful and predators aren't threatening.

On Flores, the Komodo dragon and other large meat-eating lizards prowled. But Flores Man didn't have to worry about violent human neighbors.

This is the first time that the evolution of dwarfism has been recorded in a human relative, said the study's lead author, Peter Brown of the University of New England in Australia.

Scientists are still struggling to identify it's jumbled features.

Many say that its face and skull features show sufficient traits to be included in the soft cuddly creature family that includes modern humans. It would be the eighth species in the soft cuddly creature category.

George Washington's Wood, for example, finds it "convincing."

Others aren't sure.

For example, they say the skull is wide like H. erectus. But the sides are rounder and the crown traces an arc from ear to ear. The skull of H. erectus has steeper sides and a pointed crown, they said.

The lower jaw contains large, blunt teeth and roots like Australopithecus, a prehuman ancestor in Africa more than 3 million years ago. The front teeth are smaller than modern human teeth.

The eye sockets are big and round, but they don't carry a prominent browline.

The tibia in the leg shares similarities with apes.

"I've spent a sleepless night trying to figure out what to do with this thing," said Schwartz. "It makes me think of nothing else in this world."


http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/1...n.ap/index.html
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 06:33 AM

neat story
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 06:41 AM

Man.... I want to see more pictures!

Maybe eventually they will have one of those sculptors recreate the face and stuff. I would love to see that!

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 06:49 AM

That is a very interesting article. I have always held the belief that there is more to this world then what we can see with our eyes. And one of the things that have always bothered me about humans is the fact that every creature in this world has a cousin that has evolved differently in one way or another. Humans seem to be the only one that has no other branches. Living anyway. Kind of makes you wonder why!

It is nice to see that we are discovering that we are not much different from the other species living on our fragile world.

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 08:22 AM

Makes you wonder if Tolkien didn't know more than he let on!

smile.gif They're calling these creatures Hobbits. I love this!
I can't wait to see how this story develops!


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  Posted 28 October 2004 - 09:23 AM

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 09:47 AM

Thank you for posting that story, I was goiong to look for it today because I missed the story on my local news last night...... I was just to tired to stay up past the weather huh.gif

The file footage they show on the tellie last night was of most of the skeleton laid out on some dirt, she's tiny and mostly there

Can't wait to see if they find her kin as well!
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 11:18 AM

hey they may find elves now ^.^'
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 11:20 AM

Oh, I saw this on GMA thos morning, it was really cool.


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Humans seem to be the only one that has no other branches. Living anyway. Kind of makes you wonder why!


I thought Neandethals were a distant cousin that was a dead end ??????
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(boobookitti @ Oct 28 2004, 06:41 AM)
Man.... I want to see  more pictures!

Maybe eventually they will have one of those sculptors recreate the face and stuff. I would love to see that!
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I saw a sketch on the (Dutch) news how the dwarf people might have looked like. And it did remind me of a Hobbit.
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:59 PM

wow this is wild, this opens the door I guess to some folk lore tales...lol
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:05 PM

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wow this is wild, this opens the door I guess to some folk lore tales...lol
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It might be the first in a series of amazing discoveries in the history of the human race. They are planning to investigate other islands in the region.

The reason why the human remains that were found are so different from everything else they discovered is because the island is/was isolated from the rest of the world. Evolution took a funny twist. laugh.gif
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:05 PM

QUOTE(Darklighter @ Oct 28 2004, 11:22 AM)
Makes you wonder if Tolkien didn't know more than he let on!

smile.gif They're calling these creatures Hobbits. I love this!
I can't wait to see how this story develops!

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LOL - I thought the same thing!
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:11 PM

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LOL - I thought the same thing!
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Tolkien might not be the only classic writer. The Sign of Four by Conan Doyle had a set of the most unusual characters you could think of. One of those characters was a dwarf from the same region were the skeleton remains were found.
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:15 PM

I read somewhere in the news that there have been sightings of small people in that area for years...sort of like bigfoot. Who knows there may still be some alive somewhere
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:32 PM

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Tolkien might not be the only classic writer. The Sign of Four by Conan Doyle had a set of the most unusual characters you could think of. One of those characters was a dwarf from the same region were the skeleton remains were found.
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Hmmm, I'm going to have to look for that book smile.gif
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Posted 28 October 2004 - 01:44 PM

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I read somewhere in the news that there have been sightings of small people in that area for years...sort of like bigfoot. Who knows there may still be some alive somewhere
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I don't know how big the island is. If it's big enough than it could be a possiblity.
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Posted 29 October 2004 - 05:59 AM

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I read somewhere in the news that there have been sightings of small people in that area for years...sort of like bigfoot. Who knows there may still be some alive somewhere
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Yeah. There are stories of small people from all over the world. The Menehune from Hawai'i from example.
The scientists say that when things move to an island they evolve to a smaller size.
And that because this fossil is only 18,000 years old, and that because fossilised remains are never the last of their species to die (since fossils can only be created under the right circumstances which are very difficult to achieve) that these little people could've lived many thousands of years after this hobbit woman and her kin died. When they find fossils of human relatives they're nearly always hundreds of thousands of years old and older, and the relatively young age of this fossil indicates that more could not only exist in this island, but on other islands around the world.
The fact that the Indonesians describe these people in so much detail, and knew exactly where they lived (the place that the skeletons were unearthed) is a clue that these creatures existed within fairly recent human memory.

It also lends more credence to the menehune of Hawai'i, who were thought to be nothing more than myth in years past.
As well as the European little people myths.
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I don't know how big the island is. If it's big enough than it could be a possiblity.
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Posted 29 October 2004 - 06:43 AM

Hey I found an article on this in National Geographic w/ an illustration!

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